What if you could be healthy, happy, and full of energy on your 120th birthday? In this video blog, I sat down for an in-depth interview with my longevity doctor, Terry Grossman M.D. who shares a ton of great information about how you can do just that.
RUDY: Hey kids, my brain, and I want to welcome you to this latest episode of, "My Brain and I". The idea is we travel the world embracing change, following our curiosity and investigating all things future. Quite simply, our mission is to create and share thought provoking content that informs, inspires, and promotes the value of embracing a positive future forward mindset.
We begin today's episode with a question. What if you could be healthy, happy, and full of energy on your 120th birthday? If given that opportunity, would you take it? Well my brain and I would, and that's why we recently went to the Grossman Wellness Center in Denver, Colorado to begin a longevity program that is designed to do just that.
For the past two and a half years, my brain and I have been working with Dr. Terry [00:01:00] Grossman, founder of the Grossman Wellness Center to extend our life and increase our health span. Author, doctor, inventor, and a respected thought leader in the anti-aging industry for over 25 years, he has worked at the forefront of longevity medicine and has served many who have made the choice to live a longer, healthier life. We recently spent three days at his facility where we were tested in more ways than we knew possible to determine our best path forward. With that, I'd like to introduce you to my doctor and friend, Terry Grossman, who's going to share with us how and why he got started in the anti-aging business.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:01:34] When I was a my late forties I started to experience the aging process. Where prior to that time, I had a reason for things hurting. After that time, I found I would wake up in the morning and something hurt for no good reason. I didn't like that. And that really was part of the aging process. I had seen a, uh, an advertisement in one of the medical journals for a [00:02:00] meeting, the commencement meeting of an organization called , the American Academy of anti-aging medicine.
And this was a foreign concept to me. No one had ever heard of anti-aging medicine back in 1993 or 1994. So I went to this meeting of the forum back in the early 1990s and it changed my life. I decided that I actually wanted to become an anti-aging specialist. So I took a lot of courses. I attended a lot of conferences because I didn't learn any of this stuff in medical school.
So I essentially, I Iearned what I needed to learn to practice nutritional medicine, detoxification, hormone replacement, and the things associated with anxi-aging medicine, and then opened up Grossman Wellness Center as an anti-aging clinic.
RUDY: [00:02:53] I find it interesting that doctors don't learn this anti-aging stuff in medical school. In fact, once med students become doctors, [00:03:00] they don't really practice healthcare at all. They practice sick care.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:03:04] The whole paradigm is based on waiting for people to get sick and then taking care of them. How often do people go to the doctor and say, everything is fine? I just want you to keep me that way. I mean, around this place that happens all the time, but in my previous career as a regular doctor, before I went into antiaging medicine, I never heard that. People, basically, something had happened. They had, in fact, what I learned in medical school and what I did during the first 15 years of being a doctor is I was taught to ask patients, what is your chief complaint? What's wrong with you? Why are you here? And in almost every case, people have a reason. Something hurts. My blood pressure is too high. I got chest pain, you know, there was something wrong with them. And then based on that complaint, we would do the appropriate tests and then the appropriate treatments.
But the whole idea behind [00:04:00] preventative health and preventative healthcare is let's start from a place where nothing's necessarily wrong and let's do whatever's necessary to keep it that way.
RUDY: [00:04:10] The field of preventative healthcare is evolving day by day in laboratories, hospitals, and clinics all around the world. As you may suspect, dr Grossman spends a great deal of time staying abreast of all the latest developments and his never ending pursuit of excellence four times a year. Dr Grossman boards a plane to Bangkok, Thailand, where he has a second gig and it's an important one at that.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:04:30] My second job is the International Medical Director of the Wellness Division. Bumrungrad Hospital, which is been voted one of the 10 best hospitals in the world, and it's located in Bangkok, Thailand, and Bumrungrad is what we call a medical tourism hospital. About half of their patients don't come from Thailand or from Bangkok. They come from other countries and they're, looking for top notch medical care [00:05:00] at an affordable price.
And that's what this hospital can do. Many of their doctors have been trained at prestigious medical universities such as Harvard and Oxford in England and Cambridge, and then they returned to Bangkok to provide subspecialty care there. And it's done at a fraction of the price of what's available in the United States and in Europe. Well, they have their standard standalone 550 bed regular medical hospital where standard medicine is practiced. But in addition to that, they have an entire building devoted to complementary medicine. Wellness medicine, and that's what I'm the international medical director of. So patients can get the best of both worlds.
One entire floor of that wellness center is devoted, for example, it's called Esperanza, and it's devoted to integrated cancer care. So a patient who has a severe relate stage cancer can get all of the conventional things at the [00:06:00] hospital. And then if you get the ad-ons, the integrated things. At the Esperon center, at the wellness division of the hospital.
So I'm the international medical director of that division. So in addition to teaching their doctors and working on some software projects, I also have a unique opportunity to learn from doctors and researchers from that part of the world. And within a five hour flight of Bangkok, it's really a hub for that entire part of the world.
When you take China and India and Japan and places like that, I mean, you're talking about. Almost 50% of the world's population live within a close proximity that which means that there are a lot of doctors with a lot of novel ideas there. And I have the opportunity to take some of those ideas home with me. So, it's a win win situation for me to go to Bangkok to work.
RUDY: [00:06:58] Here's an interesting concept. [00:07:00] I'll bet you have never considered before aging versus getting older.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:07:04] Everybody is going to get older. We'd gotten older since we've started to speak to one another. It's just the passage of time, but we haven't necessarily aged during that period of time.
If we make healthy choices, we don't necessarily age. If we make poor choices, then maybe we accelerate the aging process. One of the easiest ways we can do that is we have three times a day and we have a choice of whether we want to get older or younger. We call them breakfast, lunch, and supper. So depending, you know if I had chosen to have a couple of jelly donuts for breakfast, instead of, you know, a healthful breakfast that I did, and instead of the nice salad I had for lunch, I had had some kind of fast food with a greasy cheeseburger or something like that. And tonight I'm going to have a steak with fries or whatever. I would have definitely aged during the course of those three meals. So you can make choices [00:08:00] on your own to slow down the aging process. So it not only applies to them. Your diet also applies to how well you exercise. We all have to exercise our bodies, so if we exercise regularly, we eat regularly. We take some supplements that are designed to kind of keep everything running the way it's supposed to. There are a lot of things that we can do to essentially keep ourselves well. So this is kind of the mainstays of antiaging medicine.
RUDY: [00:08:27] Getting older without aging. It makes sense, right? But here's something else to consider. Aging impacts everyone differently depending on where we are chronologically.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:08:37] I like to look at what happens to children between the ages of five and 15 they get 10 years older, but they don't necessarily age. In fact, 15 year olds are typically healthier than five-year-olds. Five year olds. Coming down with infections. Sore throats are coming home with this, and that was 15 year old. They're almost, they're like [00:09:00] Teflon. Nothing gets them. I mean, they can do whatever they want and they just never get sick, it seems.
But that doesn't really happen that easily later in life, like between the ages of 75 and 85 yeah, you get 10 years older, but it's very few people that don't age during that decade as well. So that's where antiaging medicine comes in. We don't need to do it early in life, but later on in life where the aging process really is designed to destroy our health, and it is built into our genes. Our genes don't want us to live anywhere nearly as long as we're living. We need to make medical interventions to slow that process down, to stop it and to reverse it. And luckily we do have the ability to do that.
RUDY: [00:09:43] Dr Grossman has written three books on the subject of longevity. His second and third were co-written by futurist Ray Kurtzweil. Their first collaboration was entitled fantastic voyage, live long enough to live forever. I read it and decided I wanted [00:10:00] dr Grossman to be my doctor, so what did I do? I tracked him down, called him up, and the rest they say. is history.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:10:07] My first book came out in Y2K right at the year, 2000 January 1st, 2000 was published and it was called The Baby Boomers Guide to Living Forever, and I incorporated some of my earlier ideas about what my generation, the baby boomers could do to essentially live for far longer periods of time.
It was my idea that. It was expanded. On my second book that I wrote with Ray Kurzweil, a famous inventor and futurist, the second book was called Fantastic Voyage Live Long Enough To Live Forever. And it was our idea that that book, when it came out in 2004, we still didn't have the idea that we needed all of the pieces that would have not enabled us to live forever, or let's say for a couple [00:11:00] hundred years, that's still doesn't, didn't exist then, and it still doesn't exist now, but we're getting very close. So the idea was live long enough to take advantage of the technologies that are going to be coming in the years ahead, live long enough to live forever.
So from when these books were written, the first one in 2000 the second one in 2004 then Ray Kurzweil and I wrote a third one in 2010 ,Transcend. Medicine has really increased exponentially and exponential growth is kind of funny. During the first part of it, it seems like it's going very, very slowly, even though it is exponential, and then you reach this knee of the curve and the knee of the curve is where we are right now, and the advances in medicine and technology are accelerating.
So right now we're in 2020 and it's been said that these, [00:12:00] unlike the 1900's when that decade was called the roaring twenties we're now in a decade that they're referring to as the soaring twenties and I think they're, what they're referring to is this exponential growth in medicine and technology.
And it seems as though there are so many things happening that the concept that Ray Kurzweil and I presented in our books earlier on. Live long enough to live forever, live long enough to take advantage of these new technologies is coming to pass very quickly. In fact, in our books, what we did is we took Ray and Terry today and had conversations with Ray and Terry 2023 which is only three years from now, and we had conversations with Ray and Terry 2034 and ran Terry 2023.
We're talking about all of these STEM cells therapies, which back in 2004 was kind of the future. Right? Well, from our [00:13:00] perspective today, in 2020 2023 is not very far away, and many of these STEM cell therapies and gene therapies and genomics diagnoses are becoming mainstream. Mainstream doctors are now beginning to adopt genomics testing of their patients, and even conventional doctors are starting to do some regenerative or STEM cell related therapies on their patients.
So this is now becoming a part of medicine. So I think we were right on track in terms of what will happen in 2023 and. Ray Kurzweil is one of the prominent futurists in the world, and I think that he will be right on target with his prediction that in the mid part of the 2030s nanotechnology and other advances will be able to essentially share diseases even before they happen entirely. And when that point comes, I think that life expectancies will accelerate well beyond where they are today.
RUDY: [00:13:58] One of the concepts in fantastic [00:14:00] voyage really hit home with me. It explains life extension strategies we can all take. Starting right now. It's called a bridge to a bridge to a bridge.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:14:09] When Ray Kurzweil and I wrote our first book together in 2004 we wrote it between 2002 and 2004 we came up with this idea of a bridge to a bridge to a bridge and bridge one was what existed in 2004 and there was anti-aging therapies like hormone replacement, taking certain supplements, doing some detoxification, what was available to us at that time, and the idea was let's travel over that bridge to take us to the next bridge, which was kind of the bridge too, which is what's going on today.
It was the future. Then. But it's the present now and on this bridge, things like STEM cell therapies and regenerative medicine [00:15:00] and genomics and the ability to alter genes. It was a dream then, but it's actually real part of medicine today. So we've gone for bridge one to being solidly on bridge two. And then that will take us to bridge three, which are therapies that don't exist yet. They're on the drawing boards, but we don't have the technology to create them. They will involve kind of the integration of artificial intelligence and robotics, replacement parts for the human body, three printing of organs, the ability of nano bots to be floating through our bloodstream, repairing damage.
At the very earliest time that it occurs, so that essentially we remained, you know, just like we were, we were at 25 even when we're 125 so it's this [00:16:00] concept, we don't have it today, but I think we will have it over the next decade or two, and that will really be the third bridge. And then, although we haven't talked about it yet, I'm sure there will be a fourth and fifth bridge to come.
RUDY: [00:16:14] Here's a question for you. How long do you think we can extend our lives? Is there a limit? Could it possibly be forever?
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:16:22] Life expectancies will continue to increase. For instance, about three years ago, I was asked to provide an interview for a filmmaker who was interested in creating a documentary called your second 50.
And I thought this was interesting because it would be good to live our second 50 like we did our first 50 but I said I'd be a lot more interested if you did a documentary called your third 50 so I think that's where [00:17:00] we're going in the near future is it'll be incremental, but because the acceleration seems to be so fast that when we go from.
Maximum life expectancy is through 120 years, it's going to go very, very quickly from there to 150 to 200 to 250 where it's really meaningless to talk about life expectancy because we will have the ability to essentially live as long as we want. And I think that is, may not be realistic for people of the baby boomer generation, but I think it's entirely realistic for certainly my grandchildren and hopefully my children.
RUDY: [00:17:39] Later this year, I will complete my 60th lap around the sun. I'd like to think I'm only at the halfway mark. You see, I am not ready to round the last corner and head for the finish line. Neither is dr Grossman.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:17:52] I share your sentiments. And in fact, about three years ago, I celebrated my 70th birthday [00:18:00] and, we had a big party, which I thought was a normal thing to do.
I find out that none of my friends wanted to have a 70th birthday party because they didn't regard it as anything they wanted anybody to know about. I was actually proud of it, so I don't know. Mmm, okay. But one of the things that was very unique and very similar to what you just said about you turning 60 and being halfway was I had a birthday cake, and on the birthday cake, the first tier had a series of steps built into it.
At the end of that first year, it said 70 the second tier and a second series of steps, and there is at 140 so I had felt like I was kind of halfway there at that point in time. So I really think that we used to say sixties the new 40 I'm not sure that that's true. Maybe in 2030 80 may be the new 50 and who knows what a hundred will be in the near future.
RUDY: [00:19:00] So now you know I'm about to turn 60 chronologically. That is, but how old am I really?
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:19:07] One of the things that I doubt if there are 15 or 20 medical clinics in the United States, that measure is your metabolic age. It's absolutely critical. We live in a, in a sea of oxygen, and the difference between. A two year old and 102 year old.
The two year old uses oxygen very efficiently and that creates energy for them. That's why you get tired just watching it your well. They just go and they go and they go. They're like a balloon that you let the air out of them. They're just going constantly, whereas 102 year old more typically is pretty, pretty calm, not moving around too much, going to bed early as well.
A lot of that has to do with the fact that the parts of their [00:20:00] cells that create energy called their mitochondria makes ATP, which is what our bodies were on in front of. You have gotten older. Well, we have the ability, and one of the tests that you'll be undergoing is a specific series of tests to determine how well your mitochondria work.
How well do you utilize oxygen? We're going to hook you up to a mask and the mask is going to tell us how much oxygen are able to take out of the air that you breathe in and how much carbon dioxide do you give off. An Olympic athlete, those numbers, those numbers are enormous. A more sedentary individual, those numbers are a lot lower and intermediate intermediately active, a person would be in the middle, so we're going to find out where you are on that scale and then depending on where you are, we can outline both diet and exercise program to optimize your metabolic age so that you can be as young as possible. [00:21:00] So this is one of the things that we're going to base a lot of our therapies on. That's just the beginning.
Now from my biological age, we can also measure where you are in the aging scale by finding out how you are able to do certain tests.
Like for instance, how many numbers can you remember in a row. How good is your lung capacity? What's your near vision? You know how you get older and all of a sudden you run out of art, you have to get reading glasses. Also, we noticed as we get older that our hearing, particularly for high frequencies, go down, all measure, all those things, and we will be able to determine or the computer will, your biological age.
RUDY: [00:21:44] Before all this testing, all I knew is I was fast approaching 60 but I'm happy to report my metabolic age is 40 and my biological age 51 so now I have a benchmark from which Dr Grossman and I can begin to measure my future progress,. [00:22:00] To that Dr Grossman has something else to say, which I like very much.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:22:04] Our goal is that you will be getting younger and younger and younger as we go along while you're getting older and older. So in other words, you'll be getting older, but you'll not be aging while you're doing so.
RUDY: [00:22:18] We humans have about 200 different types of cells in our bodies. One type is STEM cells. They're extremely beneficial for our health, but unfortunately we have less and less of them as we age. Dr Grossman has a solution for that so I decided a STEM cell treatment was an order.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:22:33] We can take a sample of your STEM cells from your body, put them in storage. We can just take a sample of blood, take some STEM cells, put them into storage. So. You're never going to be younger than you are today. Wouldn't it be nice to have your STEM cells if today available to your, when you're 80 or 90 well, we can do that as well.
RUDY: [00:22:56] There's another type of cell we have floating around in our bloodstream. This one [00:23:00] not so good. There are sometimes referred to as zombie cells. I'm not too keen on the idea of zombie cells running around in my body, so Dr Grossman is going to help me kill the zombies.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:23:10] There's all. A new type of cell that's only been really identified in the last few years, and they're called senescent cells. Senescent cells are another part of why a two year old looks to, and a 102 year old looks a hundred do because the two year old has virtually no senescent cells, and the 102 year old is loaded with them. These are aging cells. These are cells. Every cell in the body is supposed to commit. Suicide. At a certain point, they get old enough, I suppose, to destroy themselves to get out of the way.
Somehow or another, a few of these very tiny fraction of the cells kind of slips under the wire and they don't die like they're supposed to and they turn into what are called senescent cells. These senescent cells are an absolute catastrophe. They create inflammation. They, they cause [00:24:00] cancer. They're just catastrophic.
Everything. I mean, all of the aging related things seem to be related. At least in some part to these senescent cells. Well, up until the last few years, we had no way to kill them. Now we have very safe and effective ways to destroy these senescent cells to reverse the aging clock. I found that when I started to do these therapies, the age spots on my face disappeared. So certain things have gotten better.
RUDY: [00:24:26] For the past two years I've been on a supplement plan. Dr Grossman has prescribed specifically for me every four months he adjusts it after I head over to a local lab or a phlebotomist drains me of several vials of my blood. This past January, I decided to step up to Dr Grossman's ultimate program, one that's designed to further extend my life and health span. Some of the treatments may surprise you.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:24:49] There are many things that we can do. We can repurpose medications. For instance. The diabetes drug, Metformin, that the thing that you've been taking it already, but [00:25:00] it has now been found to prevent cancer, to help people that have cancer, to live longer. It's been found to mimic calorie restriction so that, at least in the laboratory, every animal has been tried on lives longer if they take Metformin. Particularly if we combine it with some other strategies that we use. So we're, we're taking medications. There are certain blood pressure medications that not only lower blood pressure, they actually increase longevity. One example of a medication that really doesn't make a lot of sense is Viagra or Cialis. Well, we know what these medicines. are designed to do well, that's not what they were originally designed to do. These were blood pressure medicines that didn't work very well as blood pressure medicines, and when they first developed them, they ended the trial because people's blood pressure [00:26:00] didn't follow enough.
They told everybody, send the samples back, and virtually all the women did, but only a half the men did. So they did a little bit of post-market surveys then found out, wait a minute, this medication has a different side effect. So this failed blood pressure medicine was found to have. So a side effect that was very beneficial in the sexual spirit.
Well, now we're finding that it also has beneficial effects when it comes to our arteries. The inside of our arteries called the endothelium are favorably helped by taking these medications. So we are now adding generic Cialis through the program. So people are taking diabetes medicine, they're taking sexual medicine and sexual performance medicine. They're taking blood pressure medicine. They're taking cholesterol or a message in each of these has been found to increase longevity in and of their own, uh, right. And [00:27:00] when you combine them together, we get synergistic effects where people can, can live longer. So these are all parts of the program that, that, that constitute what I refer to as SAFE and SAFE is, uh, an acronym for Stay Alive ForEver,
RUDY: [00:27:14] Not interested in taking medications to live longer? Dr Grossman offers natural alternatives as well.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:27:19] We do have people that have a personal bias against medication, and they would prefer to take natural alternatives like supplements and things like that. And for instance, for Metformin, there are some natural supplements like berberine that have at least some of those beneficial effects.
And for a medication like a statin for lowering cholesterol. There were things like red yeast rice, so there are natural alternatives to the medications, and there are a few patients that we use that for. Will they work as well? I don't have the data to prove that, but at least we do have some alternatives.
RUDY: [00:28:00] Are you one of those people who thinks life extension isn't natural and that we should be happy living a normal life span? If so, here's a counterpoint for you to consider.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:28:09] We've been doing this all along. If you want to do things naturally, we'll just all die at 30 you know, and the average life expectancy, you know, a few hundred years ago was 18 so our whole goal of medicine and technology is to enable us to live longer.
So. To me, it's a little bit artificial about where we draw that line. Right now we can say, okay, well that line looks like it's around 75 or 80 and if you want to go with the conventional life expectancies. Yeah. Men live to be around 75 and women live to about 80 in the United States. Is that normal? No, it's completely abnormal.
We're supposed to live to be 30. At Grossman Wellness it's not enough to simply live longer. It's about living healthier. And longer. One of the quotes that I like to use in [00:29:00] this clinic is good. It's not good enough. We're not looking for good. We're looking for outable and to me, optimal is living as long as we can. As long as it's good health, increasing that health span as much as possible.
RUDY: [00:29:12] To many the idea of living to a ripe old age simply isn't an attractive proposition. To that Dr Grossman has something to share
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:29:21] There's a saying who wants to live to be a hundred anyway. And the answer is just ask somebody who's 99 so as long as your quality of life is good, I don't know anybody in this practice who's looking to die.
In fact, I did a little survey and I asked the group of 65 year olds, are you happier today or were you happier when you were 35 and as long as their health was good, I was shocked that 100% of them said, I'm healthier now. So growing older without aging is not a bad thing at all. And I would like to say that, if I knew that it was going to be this much fun getting [00:30:00] old, I would have done it first.
RUDY: [00:30:02] I didn't want to leave Dr Grossman's office without first telling him that since I began his program two years ago, I've come to feel better than ever. Apparently I'm not the only one.
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:30:12] I love to hear that from patients. I love to hear patients say, you know, I feel better this year than I did last year. I feel better this year than I did five years ago. It's really very gratifying for me to have patients be able to say something like that.
RUDY: [00:30:26] Okay. So maybe now you're thinking, Oh, that sounds pretty good. I'd like to feel better. I'd like to live longer. But the next question I'll bet you want to ask is how much does that all cost?
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:30:38] You know what makes rational sense to me is to spend more money on prevention rather than treatment. Cause it's a lot cheaper to prevent a disease than it is to treat one. You know, they say nobody's got time to do things right the first time, and everybody's got time to do things over. It's that type of philosophy that also applies to our bodies. Um, but you [00:31:00] know, as I thought about it, there actually is no incentive for anybody in the sickness care industry or healthcare industry, as they call it, to keep prices down. Most of the people that are in this industry are making a percentage off the top. So did the insurance companies really want the rates of insurance to go lower if they're making a percentage off the top? No, they want it to be as expensive as possible. The same thing goes for hospitals. Do they want hospital care to be cheaper? No they're making a percentage off the top. So the more expensive the better. So the concept that seems to make sense to us that we want healthcare to be cheaper actually doesn't make financial sense to the CEOs of these companies. But if we're going to look at it from a rational point of view and we're going to do what we can to live healthy water in the state young longer, it's like every new technological innovation. When flat [00:32:00] screen TVs first came out, they were quite expensive, but within a few years or place from it. And I think it's the same way with the new technologies that they're now being applied to anti-aging right now, some of them are quite expensive, but I would think that within the next five or 10 years, there'll be quite inexpensive and available to the masses.
So many therapies, you know, the diet and the exercise and the supplements can be done for, you know, very, very little money, a few hormones, not very expensive for one, to get a little more sophisticated. Uh, yes, that can add up and people can choose, okay, my budget is such and such. You know, when people are spending 1200 to $1,500 a month on insurance health insurance, how much would they be willing to spend on not needing that insurance?
If we have the ability to add one year of healthy life span, [00:33:00] can you put a price on that? I mean, it's really, when we look at it from that point of view, these interventions really are not very expensive. So it's really a matter of how much disposable income we have and what our priorities are. As we've discussed, most doctors don't know all that much about this wellness and longevity business.
RUDY: [00:33:21] So other than Dr Grossman, how do you find a quality preventive medical doctor that's right for you?
DR. GROSSMAN: [00:33:27] If you are looking for. You know, advice about wellness and how to take care of yourself. You need to pick the right provider. An interesting test was done, the interesting study a few years ago, and it was a test on nutrition that they gave to a group of physicians.
How much vitamin D is optimal. What does vitamin C do on it? Did you level, what is coenzyme Q 10 things like that, and they gave the same exam. So the receptionists [00:34:00] working in their office, guess who did better? The receptionists. So doctors, at least most conventional doctors don't know a lot about preventative medicine because it's not something that was taught them in medical school.
So the first thing that you have to do in seeking this kind of care is find a healthcare provider that specializes in it. So there is an organization, in fact, it's the organization that I went to 25 years ago to get started on this path. the American Academy of Anti-aging Medicine. They have a website you can put in your zip code and you can find providers, you know, close to where you are, and then someone in that organization has received specialized training in these kinds of strategies. There are a few other organizations like the American Holistic Medical Association, ACAM the American College for Advancement in Medicine, and they also have listing of providers, um, based on your zip code, that can be helpful so that you can find somebody close to you to get [00:35:00] this kind of care.
RUDY: [00:35:02] My brain and I hope this was both helpful and interesting. I'd like to thank Dr Grossman not only for sharing his wisdom in this interview, but for writing his books and being my doctor. If you'd like to take the first step in increasing your health, happiness, and longevity, I highly recommend you read dr Grossman's books, Fantastic Voyage and his latest, Transcend.
Thanks for watching. Be well and may you live a long, happy and healthy life.